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dHuGo:

--- Quote from: bsfloyd on January 08, 2019, 04:24:38 PM ---I’m curious, is there ever a time when the rhythms Maqsum and Beledi would be played in the same sitting?  Alternating the Doums and Teks?

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To alternate Doums and Teks? - Never ever...!  ;)

The basic pattern of a rhythm is build of a row of different Doums, Teks (and rests). That is typical - this gives the rhythm a signature, a meaning - a unique style at least.

You may ask me, as a beginner: "Ok, but I have some Ka in the base I'm now playing...?" - So let's stop on it and me tell you: "What is a Ka?!" - ... should be same like a Tek- but actually played with wrong hand instead.  :) Ka is featuring the Teks. Playing some alternating Tekka you get an ornament, a roll!

That's why it is important to do the Tekka with the same or similar sound, independent of you are playing right now a Tek (with your strong hand) or Ka (with the weaker one). It’s communication. Audience but dancers will hear your pattern and get some orientation what’s going up now.

That way Doums and Teks are encoding semantics of the pattern. - In Arabic rhythms there is it like in Arabian language too:
All the Arabian words have a root what’s encoded by the row of (mostly three) consonants in it, i.e. “KTB” means “written”.

That gives the word a basic meaning, what never will change for the whole word family and all word forms within are featuring with different vocals in between the root of the words:

* “KiTaaB” gives you the result of the writing, a book (but it may be a note or a letter as well)
* “maKTaB” marks the place of the writing - an office (but same for the table you’re writing on)
* “alKaaTiB” – the person who performs the writing etc.And in drumming?! – You have a basic pattern and several variations of it. - It’s like telling a story in words…


bsfloyd:
This is a great explanation!  I do understand the point you are wanting to get across.... mostly.  When I wrote alternating the Doums and Teks, I was not meaning at random but rather alternating the actual rhythms in their correct form.  So are you saying that different rhythm patterns will never be played in the same tune, even if they are the same time signature?  I used the example of Beledi and Maqsum because they are so similar.  I thought I read on the internet (or maybe it was a video) that players will sometimes mix different rhythms of the same beat to change the timbre of the tune.  Surely it is known that there is a lot of false information on the internet, and I would much rather trust an actual traditional player over something I read online.

dHuGo:
Many thanks ... the topic isn't  full yet.

(Here my "never" is that same of driving school, saying "Never brake inside turns, do it before!!!")
 ;)

... but we've moved forward with your response:

The approach we have to solve next is: "Never ever...?!"
 :)

dHuGo:
So, let's continue:
Last I mentioned a driving school, where you learn first to brake only on a straight line. Otherwise you should be ready to brake every time (i.e. for an fast stop) - in turns too - it's paradox!

Same with Doums and Teks, played in time they build a pattern, what we, drummers and listeners, can recognize. Changing in sounds will change the pattern. Anyway the drummer may play a Doum or a Tek - anytime ... How to get an orientation, what's allowed, what's wrong!? - My advice: Listen to signals!

Which ones?! - Let's start with an example:

bsfloyd:
Wow, great video!!  You have a way with words to really make one think.  I need to have the time to be able to sit and listen with zero distractions.  I love the challenge :D

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