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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 15, 2019, 06:32:14 AM »
Great work, dHuGo,  Now we have a detailed score  :)

@ davidko2 - I think the confusing part is that there are several parts working off each other, and the piano part is very syncopated with its off beats.  I think if you play either parts (udu or darbuka as posted above) it will sound just fine.  And, if you wish to create your own line within those two rhythms you can have your own creation   ;)

Have fun with it!

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 13, 2019, 04:04:53 PM »
thanks a lot!

time to work on it now.

Also, this website is a gem:

My favorite resource!!

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 12, 2019, 05:39:10 PM »
Ah ha - yes, I see it (and more so feel it).  Another new 5 beat rhythm to add to my playing!

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 10, 2019, 03:55:12 PM »
Wonderful!!  Now I need to buy an udu  :D

It was fun working that rhythm out.  It’s good to know all those years of not using my rhythm reading skills didn’t fall far away from me  ;)

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 09, 2019, 05:26:56 AM »
Great post!  Surely written as a 5/4 rhythm and also for Udu.  I wondered what the instrument was in the recording.  I am not very familiar with the udu.  Seems like a very cool instrument.

I do read standard notation and rhythms.  The best way (IMO) to understand this would be to break it down into its sub beats:

1 _ _ _ 2 _ _ _ 3 _ _ _ 4 _ _ _ 5 _ _ _ |
O       X   O   .   X   O       X     X |
O   v   X   O   v   X   O       X   X X |

The top line represents the 5 count measure and the two bottom lines represents the played hits.  Sounds as - 1, 2 and, and 4, 5 ah, 1 and, 2 and, 3 and, 4, 5 and ah.

I hope this helps!

*Mod: redacted and set note transcript to font "Courier"

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 07, 2019, 04:14:50 PM »
 :) I knew you would find the time and have the patience to do this.  Let’s see what the OP thinks...

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 05, 2019, 04:57:44 PM »
Hello and welcome to the forums!!  I listen to the sound sample several times but it is kind of hard to make out.  I actually couldn’t even figure out the time signature.  For a small bit I thought I heard a 5/4 rhythm, but then it could have just been syncopated accents.  I will study it some more.  I’m sure dHuGo will chime in soon... he’s good at this kind of stuff :)

Hello Willys!  I’m sorry, there are no other lesson techniques I found in regards to your question.  Surely the video you found and posted cover this independence technique, as does the video dHuGo posted earlier on in the thread.

I guess hand independence was never a concern to me as I’ve played percussion instruments for many, many years.  Because of this, limb independence comes more natural to me.  And, you may find as you watch different videos of different players that they are not always the same ;). Keep in mind that the darbuka / doumbek is a folk instrument to many.

However, dHuGo posted a link to one of the best sites for darbuka learning and playing that I know of - the khafif site.  When I was applying my percussive skills to the darbuka, I just followed the rule of D(oum) and T(ek) with my right (dominant) hand, and the k(a) with my left hand.  The khafif site has the many, many rhythms in their basic form and then the rhythms with their fills form.  While this doesn’t fully go into soling mode, it does offer a good fancier version of the rhythms.  IMO, the soloing will come natural as these foundations are mastered.

On another note, my wife is currently undergoing belly dance learnings.  She is much preferring the Egyptian style of dance.  It is much fun to be able to play the rhythms for her.  In your regards, your wife is a dance instructor, are there any other drummers in your area you could learn from/with?

Hello Willys - I’m afraid what helped me in my learning the middle eastern rhythms on the darbuka might not be applicable to your situation - I have been playing other percussion instruments for over 30 years (as well as many other stringed and wind instruments).  I came to the darbuka with knowledge of being to read music rhythm and notation, which of course helped me greatly.  My biggest challenge was the plane the drum head was on.  Percussion instruments such as djembe, conga, bongo, even drum set are on a more horizontal plane whereas the darbuka is on a more vertical plane.

My recommendation - it is known that much of these “folk” rhythms are taught and learned by ear.  Certainly this can work best if you have an actual teacher to do so.  If you are like me, you may not have a darbuka teacher in your area.  My suggestion would be to listen to instruction CD’s.  There are several out there and many of them have the common format of rhythms written on the inset.  A couple that come to mind are Hossam Ramzy’s Rhythms of the Nile, and Uncle Mafufo’s 25 Essential Rhythms.

Perhaps some other learning material might be the Marry Ellen Donald literature.  I have no experience with this material but I’ve read that it was well liked back in the day.

WOW!!!  Great drum! Great player! Great ensembles!!!

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Mid-East drums
« on: May 24, 2019, 08:01:54 AM »

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Mid-East drums
« on: May 24, 2019, 07:54:24 AM »
I just stumbled upon another video and review of the 12” with jingles.  I think I’m starting to like the jingles version a bit better...

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Mid-East drums
« on: May 24, 2019, 07:16:53 AM »
I’m in envy that you were able to have an Emin in your hands and was able to play it!!  There is absolutely nothing around my area that would give me such opportunity.  I can only imagine how happy you were.  Alas, I need to rely on videos and word of mouth to make purchases.  The Emin drums (as are the Savvas drums) look like pieces of art, but come with a healthy price tag.  The Mid-East drums look like a poor mans version of such, however still seem to be of quality for the blue collar man.  While the quality of the instrument certainly has a say in the instruments voice, I’m sure it’s the hands of player that takes lead.  With Father’s Day coming up soon, I may hint the word about these Mid-East drums :). Now, if they so choose to opt for an Emin.... well, who am I to say no ;)

Hello and welcome to the forums, Willy’s!!!  It’s good to meet another new drummer.

Question - do you play any other percussion / drum instruments?

The videos above are good ones!  It seems to me that what you are looking for is how to not loose the base structure of the rhythm when you want to add “fills” to them.  Is this correct?  It is always essential to know the base pulse of the rhythm as it is the foundation.  Then, we add a bit of spice to the foundation as seen fit or what we feel comes from our hearts.

I’m sure you’ve been all over YouTube in your hunting, but a set of videos that helped me greatly when I was starting out was Geoff Childers 10 Rhythms Every Darbuka Player Should Know.  It is a three part series.  I like them because he shows what the base rhythm is and then adds embellishments to some of them.  Your ability may already be past this, and if so I apologize.  But, this will help let us know where you are.  Happy drumming!

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