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Evgeny

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What's wrong?
« on: October 28, 2019, 03:54:29 AM »
Hello, Niri!
I ordered to neys a month ago, and both are out of tune.
Ney Kız B gives at ''dugah'' pitch DO but 20-30 cents lower, and ney Supurde Re bayat gives at ''dugah'' pitch a quarter tone higher then RE.
Could you please explain it?



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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2019, 07:46:15 AM »
Hello Evgeny,
tuning of a natural reed Ney depends on moisture inside pipe. It gets the right sounds only after about half an hour of playing.
With synthetics the tuning stays stable all time, that might explain some differences you feel.

For more detailed information please use real time Chat on Arab Instruments website (right below).
Good luck!
Holger

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2019, 08:15:46 AM »
Great thanks!
But these neys both are plastik!

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2019, 10:39:08 AM »
ok, what's your reference than...?

Evgeny

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2019, 01:32:14 PM »
Reference is that your advice about reed neys is correct without any doubts. But this is another case.
As for neys I tried to find correct pitch with regulating the strength of blowing, but the amplitude of pitch changes is only about +/-10 cents. It doesn't give correct tune.

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #5 on: October 28, 2019, 06:53:11 PM »
ok I see.

So I understand you are using some kind of meter as a tuning reference - probably a guitar tuner or a related app.

I'm not familiar with the maqams yet, but please take notice of this:
Quote from: Arabic maqam - Wikipedia
Maqam scales in traditional Arabic music are microtonal, not based on a twelve-tone equal-tempered musical tuning system, as is the case in modern Western music. Most maqam scales include a perfect fifth or a perfect fourth (or both), and all octaves are perfect. The remaining notes in a maqam scale may or may not exactly land on semitones. For this reason maqam scales are mostly taught orally, and by extensive listening to the traditional Arabic music repertoire.
Arabic maqam - Wikipedia

That's why some difference in proper measures may happen with eastern music!

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2019, 10:53:34 PM »
Ok, thank you for answers.

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #7 on: October 28, 2019, 10:59:40 PM »
Subject is one note, main, tonic. Not interval. Tonic is not B, but C. Though it must be B.
And on another ney tonic is not RE, but quarter tone higher. That's the problem.
I know about eastern music features such as comma etc.

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2019, 12:05:33 AM »
ok, thank you, I got it now.
...but I haven't clue what may happen to your Neys...

Please contact customer support as I told you at the beginning.

Our forum is informal . Niri seems to be very busy. - he didn't frequent this place for four years at least ...
That's all, what I can tell you about.
Best wishes to your projects
Holger

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Re: What's wrong?
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2019, 01:50:36 AM »
Ok, thank you very much for patience, i'll try. Good luck!