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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Everything is Flat!
« on: June 20, 2019, 09:13:11 AM »
Thanks for your reply dHuGo.  The problem of my playing flat does seem to be worse on reed, and worse in first register than higher octaves.  So I think it may indeed be an issue of my not blowing hard enough.  I have spent most time playing first octave on plastic yildiz, which may have trained me to blow softer and use a looser embouchure than is required to play in tune on shorter neys.  I have purchased a plastic bolahenk made by Niri and am able to play in tune on that, so I will favor my Niri-made neys when playing along with others.  There is one song I want to play lead on reed bolahenk, so I will just make the guitarists tune theirs strings a little low to stay with me.  As my lungs and lips get stronger I hope I will be able to play the reed in tune someday.

Ney, Kawala Lovers / Everything is Flat!
« on: May 09, 2019, 09:17:07 PM »
I am a beginner who has blown 30 to 60+ minutes daily for about 7 months, most on yildiz, also sah nisfiye and bolahenk nisfiye.  I have focused on the first octave, working hard at low rast.  On all notes I have simply played them in the manner that makes them sound strongest and seemingly in tune with each other.  This August I will be playing with others for the first time, mainly in support of a singer/guitarist doing western pop/folk.  I have just added cheaper supurde and kiz to my collection to give me more options for matching keys.  Upon playing into a tuner I have found I am solidly a quarter tone flat on virtually every note on every ney!  :-[

The one exception seems to be my favorite ney, plastic yildiz made by Niri.  I'm in tune for both 1st and 2nd registers on that ney.  On all others, I am flat, typically falling exactly halfway between semi-tones.  I can pinch them up with effort, but the notes then sound a bit strangled and sometimes fail, especially in first octave.  The neys are from various makers, including one by Ahmed Abd El Ghanis, so I'm pretty sure I am the problem.  Any ideas?  Is there something wrong with my lips?  Is it the altitude?  My breath?  :(

Ney Kawala Sound & Videos / Re: Help With Ney Sound
« on: May 01, 2019, 10:04:13 AM »
Vincent - minute changes in embouchure, angle and force of breath will alter the tone and can keep the sound from coming altogether.  One other factor to check:  your fingers.  Tiny leaks in the seal can be difficult to detect but will definitely sabotage your sound.  I discovered that with both hands I had a habit of flexing my middle finger slightly when I lowered my ring finger.  Hence, the transition from cargah to segah and the transition from dugah to rast would find me failing to produce a sound.  Lower tones are more challenging so I blamed my mouth for some time before discovering my fingers were the culprit.

I think the learning curve for ney is extremely steep at the start.  If you can get cargah from a relatively long ney like kiz you have already made great progress.  There is a great beginner plan in Turkish and English here:

Keep blowing!  :)

Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Beginner question
« on: December 19, 2018, 07:36:18 AM »
I started on sol ney.  When I could consistently get sound from lowest rast I purchased a longer ney (yildiz) and it was almost like starting over - I could not get lower than cargah for several days.  Very frustrating!  Now I can get to rast on yildiz (with some effort).  Practicing on the yildiz makes sol ney very easy by comparison in the lowest register.  Maybe it is good to have two neys, one for pain and one for pleasure.  If only one ney I concur:  select an easier ney.

Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Ney Positioning
« on: December 19, 2018, 07:14:18 AM »
I believe the rear hole is typically off center, rotated slightly to the advantage of playing with left hand on top (better for right-handed people).  You can check this easily in a mirror by holding the ney so that the six holes point directly away from you / towards the mirror.  Look at the rear hole and see where it is in relation to the front six.  Both of my neys (sol & yildiz made by Niri) have the back hole slightly rotated to my left in relation to the front holes.  I think  this makes reach easier for left hand on top with instrument held to the right, as Niri plays in his videos.

Playing with right hand on top and / or with instrument angled to the left seems perfectly possible.  But if most neys are non-symmetrical, with holes drilled to the advantage of how Niri holds the ney, then you may find yourself at a disadvantage holding it differently, especially when using a longer ney.

I'm a beginner, so do seek a more informed opinion.

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