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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 21, 2019, 06:00:19 PM »
Aha!  I never thought of a newbie mistakes - that would be me trying to play with a group right now  :D. But I do see exactly where you pointed them out.

Thanks for sharing the new video, I enjoyed listening to it!  A nice blend of Spanish in there.  So, I don’t know if this was the intention but I had to try to find the rhythms used.  The first rhythm at 1:30 threw me at first but then I came up with Hacha.  I’ve never played this rhythm yet but I really like it a lot!  I am going to play this one next time I am practicing.  Then at 2:00 I hear it transition into what sounds and feels like a Walking Maqsum.  It blended nicely.  At 2:30 I hear a very tasteful Ayoub.  Then at 3:00 I hear Malfouf.  At about 4:50-ish I hear Karachi.  The blends of the 2/4 rhythms above are quite seamless and unless listening closely might be missed.  Then towards the end I hear a bounce back and forth between Karachi and Malfouf.  A very nice rhythm arrangement to my still learning ears, and the solo towards the end was a great surprise!!

Announcements / New members
« on: January 13, 2019, 05:16:04 PM »
Since I’ve joined the forums here I’ve noticed a lot of new members joining but not a lot of activity.  I’m thinking spam bots?.....

Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 12, 2019, 07:12:00 AM »
Ah yes, I hear this now!!  You encouraged me to stop and really listen and I am grateful for that.  Actually, now that I listen I here a quite complex arrangement - yes, as you stated I hear after the “intro” (we’ll call it that) the fast Maqsum and then the slow Beledi.  But after that I hear the slow Beledi turn into a slow Maqsum.

Then after a dancer’s break I am hearing a rhythm I don’t know the name of at about the 2:07 mark - it goes: 
I need to know the name of this rhythm (4 beat Malfouf ??)

Then at about the 2:27 mark I am hearing a Saiidi, which at times alternates with the above rhythm I noted above until the end of the performance - which at this point alternates with two Doums sometimes in the middle.

So yes, I find this arrangement to be pretty complex!  Also, very nice to listen to and watch.  It is very helpful to here the Duff (?) players holding just the main rhythm skeletons which in end really drives the music and keeps it all glued together.  That player’s role, while remaining the simplest, just may be the most important.  I’m thinking maybe I need to invest in a dohola ;) :D

Did I get close on my findings?  I am curious now - lol!!

(Edit - the above rhythm diagram isn’t quite lining up after posting, sorry)
(All in line now - Mod.)

Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 09, 2019, 04:14:38 PM »
I very much enjoyed watching and listening to this - thanks for sharing!  It was nice to hear and detect familiar rhythm in the performance :)

This is a great explanation!  I do understand the point you are wanting to get across.... mostly.  When I wrote alternating the Doums and Teks, I was not meaning at random but rather alternating the actual rhythms in their correct form.  So are you saying that different rhythm patterns will never be played in the same tune, even if they are the same time signature?  I used the example of Beledi and Maqsum because they are so similar.  I thought I read on the internet (or maybe it was a video) that players will sometimes mix different rhythms of the same beat to change the timbre of the tune.  Surely it is known that there is a lot of false information on the internet, and I would much rather trust an actual traditional player over something I read online.

Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 08, 2019, 04:24:38 PM »
Hello dHuGo - thank you for the links!  I added the Iqa’ index to my bookmarks (I have very many so far:)).  These will be very handy.  I think we need to edit and add more content to that Wiki page.  I tend to always check Wiki when researching any kind of information.  When I checked this Wiki page I was a bit let down by the lack of content.  I think the right people could really do wonders for this page.

So yes, I wondered about that overlap in similarities between the various rhythms and was curious.  I did not take into consideration the actual music being played to the rhythms.  And now I see, just as in pop music, the same rhythm or drum beat carries over to different styles of pop music.  Certainly why not middle eastern music as well.  I’m curious, is there ever a time when the rhythms Maqsum and Beledi would be played in the same sitting?  Alternating the Doums and Teks?

Yes, Karol’s videos were the very first I came across when I first got my darbuka!  I learned my basic tones and starting techniques from them.  I am certainly going to watch his advanced videos when I feel I am ready.  I know I need to learn how to walk before I can run ;)

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Great video
« on: January 07, 2019, 03:47:28 PM »
No way, not my level.... I just like dreaming, lol!!

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Great video
« on: January 05, 2019, 05:45:40 PM »
If you have the time, I very much enjoyed watching this over a pint of double IPA -


Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Training / Practice plan
« on: January 05, 2019, 03:51:17 PM »
Hello everyone!!  So, being very new in my darbuka journey, I have solely been working on getting a solid Doum, Tek, and ka.  I haven’t really been following any classic rhythms, just creating my own slowly and focusing on my tonal output.  Now, much more comfortable with my timbre, it is time to move forward.

I am looking for advice on a practice regimen and I think I have two theories.  I am thinking of starting out with three classic rhythms - however I am wondering if it would be best to start with three rhythms of one time signature (be it 2/4, 4/4, 6/8, etc.), or start with a mix of three.  I am feeling the latter, perhaps the most three commonly used rhythms and build from there once those three are glued in my muscle memory, and then add an additional rhythm each time to keep moving forward.   However, I wanted to get some insight from the much more experienced players here on what you all found to work best for you in your learnings.

Much appreciated for any advice!!

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: January 04, 2019, 03:43:45 PM »
I am very happy to have encouraged you to post your tutorial work - I’m sure I will benefit from it!  It would be great to see more action here again.  I spent a good couple of hours reading through many older threads.  It looks like there used to be a good amount of activity here.  Let’s hope the forum can get back to that.

And.... I’m always up for a beer! :)

I look forward to your tutorial posts to come.

Yes, another older post but another excellent compilation!  Though I am not quite ready for this technique yet, in the near future I trust to be.  Thanks for this dHuGo!!

I know this an older thread, but just starting my darbuka journey and searching through the forums, I found this article very interesting and informative!!

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: January 01, 2019, 11:52:24 AM »
I hope you are having a Happy New Year!!!

Very good words, dHuGo - I understand your referencing perfectly.  Much of what you say carries over to pretty much any instrument quality level as well.  I am a guitarist as well as percussionist and the higher quality the instrument, the more intricate the tone and response “can” be.  Like you said, the player needs to have the experience to pull the intricacy from the instrument.

So, like you say I am best suited for a Mustang for now - a good car to learn driving in :)

I am happy to say I am getting what I believe are acceptable Doums, Teks, and kas for now.  I am trusting my 30 year musical ears are helping me.  I know what the tone needs to be, I just needed a bit of time to pull them from the drum.  I have been finding YouTube to be my current learning resource for the time being.  I have been finding Geoff Childers and Guy Shalom rythm videos to be my main driving source.  I am learning the basic structures of the rhythms first and getting them imprinted into my head and muscle memory.  I am also learning some of the fills add ins, but I am keeping those at a minimum for now.  I am mainly focusing on the base structures and getting the pulse very pronounced.  It is quite helpful that being a long time drummer that I fully understand shythm structure and timing in all the time signatures.  What may take a new drummer a while to understand a 9/8 time signature, I feel right at home with.

However, what you stated is my current hurdle to get over - the playing position of the head because I cannot see it!  You are right, I have been seeing my drums in perfect view for a very long time and now I cannot.  But, it is getting better.  It took me a few days to be able to get a somewhat decent ka tone as the striking angle was odd to me.  Luckily, it is a trouble spot for many newcomers and there are quite a few videos on this subject.  Though it still needs a good amount of work, it is slowly coming along.  I will persevere....

It is evident that you have a great deal of knowledge.  I am very interested to hear about your journey and experiences!  Do you play professionally?  Are you playing for dancers?  Drum circles?  Music groups?  Though in my very rural area, I don’t see myself playing for any dancers, but I would love to find some stringed (Oud perhaps)or wind (Ney or other flute) instruments to play traditional music with.

Again, your advice and experience has been very helpful to my learning and I thank you very much!! 

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: December 30, 2018, 06:46:42 AM »
Thanks for the information, dHuGo.

This is the current drum I have by Toca:

The description reads it has a 9” head by 18” tall.  The actual exposed head diameter is 8.5” though.  Is this still considered 9”?  Is this how darbuka head sizing goes?  If so, wouldn’t this drum fall in the Sombaty size category being 9” head and 18” height?  I wonder if I would be better starting with a Classic size drum.

I have only started playing the darbuka / doumbek about a week - the Toca was a gift.  I have played drums however for about 30 years, just not so much hand drums.  I was invited to play African drums for my daughters school choir concert a couple months back and I enjoyed it very much and started my interest in hand drums.  Though I do indeed love the sound and play of the Djembe, it is the sound of the Middle East I really love - hence my current journey beginning with the darbuka.  I will surely continue with the other hand drum families, but I believe my mainstay will be the darbuka :)

Now, I have been reading a lot of good things about the drum company Gawheret El Fan.  I see some of their drums can be had for just a little more than the Meinl drums.  Would they be a better choice over the Meinl, or are they about equal in tone, playability, and build quality?

Thanks for all your help!

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: December 28, 2018, 07:27:58 AM »
Hello and thanks for the welcome, dHuGo!!

So many questions for sure, but I would like to start with a general instrument question.  The instrument I just received is a Toca Freestyle doumbek (which I have yet to determine the difference between doumbek and darbuka terminology) with a stated 9” head, though actual exposed measurement is 8.5”.  It has a fiberglass body and seems quite durable for travel and outdoor play.  However, the shape of the drum body is more “bowl” shaped and not “martini glass” shaped.  I am finding the drum does not sit well in my lap and I suspect this might be from the body shape.

Now, this Toca drum is not an expensive instrument at all and can be had for around $80 USD - however it certainly is letting me develope my Doum, Tek, and ka rhythms.  The Slap is still a bit tricky for me but it is getting better.  Nonetheless, I would like to get another drum but funds are always an issue especially right after the holiday.

I am consider one of the martini glass options from Meinl.  I see both aluminum and copper offerings for not too much $$$.  I am seeing from $120 ~ $160 ish USD.  Are these good drums to continue with?  Is there something better I should consider?  What should I be looking for?  Though I am a long time percussionist, I am more so with sticks and brushes and less so with hands.


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