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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 11, 2019, 04:51:19 AM »
So are you saying that different rhythm patterns will never be played in the same tune, even if they are the same time signature?  I used the example of Beledi and Maqsum because they are so similar.
But you have your answer here in the video, listen:
At start there's something with three heavy Doums 6 times, then you have a change in temp and it's 8 times Maqsum changing to a slower Baladi which is framing the solo part...

(... and I found something unexpected I wonder you might hear it too ...)

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Many thanks ... the topic isn't  full yet.

(Here my "never" is that same of driving school, saying "Never brake inside turns, do it before!!!")
 ;)

... but we've moved forward with your response:

The approach we have to solve next is: "Never ever...?!"
 :)

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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 09, 2019, 08:15:12 AM »
 :) ;)



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I’m curious, is there ever a time when the rhythms Maqsum and Beledi would be played in the same sitting?  Alternating the Doums and Teks?

To alternate Doums and Teks? - Never ever...!  ;)

The basic pattern of a rhythm is build of a row of different Doums, Teks (and rests). That is typical - this gives the rhythm a signature, a meaning - a unique style at least.

You may ask me, as a beginner: "Ok, but I have some Ka in the base I'm now playing...?" - So let's stop on it and me tell you: "What is a Ka?!" - ... should be same like a Tek- but actually played with wrong hand instead.  :) Ka is featuring the Teks. Playing some alternating Tekka you get an ornament, a roll!

That's why it is important to do the Tekka with the same or similar sound, independent of you are playing right now a Tek (with your strong hand) or Ka (with the weaker one). It’s communication. Audience but dancers will hear your pattern and get some orientation what’s going up now.

That way Doums and Teks are encoding semantics of the pattern. - In Arabic rhythms there is it like in Arabian language too:
All the Arabian words have a root what’s encoded by the row of (mostly three) consonants in it, i.e. “KTB” means “written”.

That gives the word a basic meaning, what never will change for the whole word family and all word forms within are featuring with different vocals in between the root of the words:
  • “KiTaB” gives you the result of the writing, a book (but it may be a note or a letter as well)
  • “maKTaB” marks the place of the writing - an office (but same for the table you’re writing on)
  • “alKaaTiB” – the person who performs the writing etc.
And in drumming?! – You have a basic pattern and several variations of it. - It’s like telling a story in words…



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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Great video
« on: January 08, 2019, 05:51:52 AM »
... I see ... let's do that next year then ...

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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 08, 2019, 04:25:14 AM »
After about five years of  struggle I may tell you that you cannot avoid all this Maqsoum/Baladi stuff. - You can find it through the genres and it seems to me even that should be THE starter pack for all drumming children in eastern world.

Note the basics:

|DT-TD-T-| called "Maqsoum" (مقسوم literally "Divided") is the Arabian Funk.
|DD-TD-T-| commonly known as "Baladi" (بلدي "Balad" means "Countryside" or "Homeland"), but actually this pattern belongs to the "Masmoudi saghir" (مصمودي صغير "Small from Masmouda", what is a place in Morocco, between Tanger and Fez - often you find a pattern called after a town or region)

Those patterns are all 4/4 and you may find a lot of related styles, i.e.:

|DT-DD-T-| Saidi (صعيدي from Port Said)
|TD-TD-T-| Katakufti (كتاكفتي - I have no idea) what is a typical base for Dabke dances.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbek_rhythms

You may find all it's the same rhythms, but those styles differ in melody, speed and accordingly in variations, ornamentations and fills too. - There is a wide range of interpretations within, so I cannot explain it to the end. All depends of that guys you may find to play with...

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Great video
« on: January 07, 2019, 11:07:53 AM »
OmG
I've seen this clip last year, looking for some good riq-stuff. Awesome, but out of my reach...

bsfloyd, Is that your level???! - Je lève mon chapeau, Monsieur! :)


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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: January 03, 2019, 06:11:19 PM »
Hello, again,
you make me so happy.

That's a lot of new good stuff you found. I feel you bring really good vibes to me and our forum.

So, I think, I have some usefull tricks left for beginners and intermediates and - maybe - some idea for advanced too. I'll  put them in new topics. The plan is ready about one year, I didn't start because of a flood of nasty spam attacks last year.

Now it seems to me  to be the right time for new input here.

Am I professionall?! - Negativ for now - all I do is learning by doing and it's just for fun - but I do my best.  :)

(btw: I really had some dancer on my mind when I chosed the more expensive professional drum, that's true...
Don't ask me - it's long sad story - and we'd need some beer to survive it.  ;) )

See you....

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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: December 30, 2018, 03:07:28 PM »
Hi, bsfloyd, it's a pleasure to read your briefing. - I like it because I feel a lot of fresh inspiration - your motivation seems to be fully intrinsic...

I was a little afraid to meet a professional drummer here, who has to do some noise in a band next month, while the former percussionist actually was running....  ;)
In that case we had to find a fitting drum immediately, to do the best drills right now etc...

I can relax instead, enjoying you may grow with those things you're doing.  :) Don't worry, it's not a shame to have no sounds in only one (!) week. I guess you can learn from your Toca the whole year as minimum. - I would wait with a new drum and try to get stable clear sounds first. All will help you to take the best choice thereafter.

Gawheret El Fan is quiete good. My second darbuka is a New Generation size from Arab Instruments (made in cooperation with the ägyptian manufacturer) and it has great sounds. - The Hossam Ramsy line of Meinl has New Generation and Sombaty sizes too. - All of them are great drums I can fully recommend.

I might figure it out saying the Gawheret El Fan is the Ferrari in darbuka world, the smaller Meinl ones, on wich we talked before, some kind of Lotus or Mustang - and we didn't talk on McLaren, Saleen etc. at all. - So all of them are worth to do it with - if only you have a license. And even when you have it - for a truck - it's absolutely new to drive a sports car. Your long term experience may help you, but it doesn't insure you for proper and safe driving. - You may understand me in those words?

So my Sombaty Plus by Gewheret El Fan has an effective 9" skin is about 19" tall and about 6 kg weight (https://www.arabinstruments.com/doumbek-darbuka/buy-doumbek-darbuka). Your Toca is similar to the New Generation but should be more light weighted. The shape of the body doesn't matter a lot: "martini" form narrows the edge zone and gives a sharper sound, "bowl" form expands the edge zone and allows to play more clear modulations of the tekka sounds.

But the really benefit for learning and playing is your drum have a well rounded rim!!! It helps you to find the right playing positions at the edge.

And at the end I'd like to tell you one thing you have not on your mind yet: The main discomfort beginning with eastern percussions causes, you have no sight on the skin!!! - Sleep it over: You have over 30 years seen wich part of the drum you're hitting right by the way. That's an important feedback you're missing with your new drum for now!

So let's finish today and think further how to transfer some of your old experience to your new playing next time.
See you!

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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: December 29, 2018, 06:48:11 PM »
Hi, yes, those drums are good for training. You can get clear sharp tekka-sounds of it. The doum-sound comes good too, but it may be a bit weak for solo performance. - I had a long look on these Meinl-drums. They are really handy. The only reason I didn't decide to get one was the gap around the head, what gave me personally a discomfort. (That's about five years ago. - Simply I was used to hit the rim with my wrist as a conga-player - I have free wrists now and a more floating technique from my darbuka experience.)

So, if you want to buy some new one I won't stop you.

But, to give you a good advice, let's talk on your existing drum first. - How long are you playing your Toca and why did you start it at all?

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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie
« on: December 28, 2018, 04:16:51 AM »
Hi, you're welcome!
We are counting one active follower in drums part of this forum, but me, today... You might be the next one!

Hopefully the forum is still growing. I'd like to start at least some topic with serious arguments.

Some years ago I started with darbuka myself coming from congas.
So come on asking! - I'm ready to respond on any of your questions.


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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Type of Darbuka
« on: December 25, 2018, 05:36:35 PM »
Nice work, really!

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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Type of Darbuka
« on: December 25, 2018, 08:19:36 AM »
Hi dear, I'd guess its origin is Turkey. - Some years ago when I was just looking for a good and cheap professional-like doumbek for me as a beginner I had a look on some handcraftet turkish copper darbukas wich copied Egyptian shape but not really... They were to buy in small music shops and probably made by local manufacturers. Don't know any name or adress.

If you are looking for new skin, I have bad news. - I found not any fitting part to my old turkish one in Istanbul last September. Simply they changed its traditional measures to more compatible ones.

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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Beginner question
« on: October 11, 2018, 03:31:29 AM »
Hi, that's good news!
I'm not familiar with neys, but I am drumming several drums. The experience differs on every instrument.

When I have to learn a difficult part sometimes it's useful to begin as simple as possible and after first success change to more difficult instrument. It's not that frustrating.

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