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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Here is Practical Explanation how to make a Copy-and-Paste-Religion
« on: Today at 03:49:12 AM »
I asked his holiness
Google to show me the way:
31 steps up to jolliness!
- That made my day.

0. Who likes it in pics

...and here are the 31 Shades of Earl Grey:

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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
« on: June 18, 2019, 12:52:51 PM »
Quote from: araza on June 18, 2019, 12:33:50 PM
dont talk rubbish
Quote from: araza on June 16, 2019, 07:58:18 AM
Why should you waste your time?
:)

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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
« on: June 18, 2019, 02:57:08 AM »
Quote from: araza on June 17, 2019, 09:47:29 PM
... what is the trolling in this thread ?

… even this:
Quote from: araza on June 17, 2019, 09:47:29 PM
huh? if you are son of 1 man than point that out.
are you son of 1 man ? do you think like that ?

… and those
Quote from: araza on June 17, 2019, 12:20:09 AM
nah nah they may be … for you but not for me
…
stuff brings an slightly aggressive note to the arguments, am I right?! - That is what we name "trolling".

And then may you ask me, why at least I didn't response yet on your "authorities" approach…

It's my way showing you my respect:
I won't touch your authorities… (and this has a relation to any other person too, who might come with another authorities here to argument. You should know what I mean…)

If you wish to talk on "authorities" especially  - oh it's o.k.- but it might be really a short talk - unless we find something common in our arguments on life!!!

So, araza, please calm down! - We may talk on Mid East Musics and its relations to spiritual life, i.e. by Sufis, or any religion at least. - It's your choice to stay and maybe to learn something new, but I understand, that musics rather isn't in your life interests! - So you may leave us … - How I said: That is your choice!

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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
« on: June 17, 2019, 07:23:45 PM »
Hi bsfloyd, I was waiting for you ...
Don't know why araza opened his topic in this forums part, but let me explain why I think it's not absolutely wrong here: The opening asking was us to remember what actually happened in moment of our birth. I don't know but I were interested in long before and years ago I directly asked my Mum what is in her memory of those minutes. What do you think?! - Even my mother couldn't tell me any detail!!

And now I'm sure only in one thing: In moment of my birth I took my first breathe in this life on this world and I will continue to inhale / exhale until it's coming to an end. - And now the Ney - the most spiritual, in my eyes,  instrument of the Middle East - playing the Ney, whole thing  is in breathing! - Breathing is life as well as playing a flute, and you, araza, call all the music a show only - what a pitiful opinion!

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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
« on: June 17, 2019, 03:41:34 AM »
That is it, what musicians do - they play... Great musicians play great - that makes a difference.

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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Here is Practical Explanation about Next Life, Purpose of Human Life,
« on: June 16, 2019, 09:55:18 AM »
Hi araza, wow, what a lot of words to our two/three members, who's just here now....!?
Anyway, you're welcome. Since spirituality is great motivation for great musicians, let's talk about...!

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 15, 2019, 05:57:40 PM »
Sorry, I have that "syncopated" feeling with Piano too, but my count is absolutely straight on every 2nd beat! - ... have no more words ...

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Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: Everything is Flat!
« on: June 15, 2019, 05:52:42 PM »
Hi Yildiz,
after about a month, is your problem still evident?! - Me, I'm not succeeded to play on any flute - and Niri seems to be busy, busy a lot these days....

Now I remembered your topic not having any answer, I read over your question again. As an technician I might have some idea of what you're talking about - and now realised, that you don't have your problem with plastic Ney, while same troubles with all the reed, isnit?! - Then all problem is within material!!!

I think, reed as a natural recource should be a bit porous and "breathing", not so synthetics. So, you cannot avoid some lost of air in a dry reed tube. I wondered, might be to find even your problem in that. And than I found an advice to water your Ney every time before using...! Look here

http://www.bardoworks.it/NeyFAQ.html

pretty at the end.

I'd like to hear, my tip does work or not!
And good luck for your performance in August.

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 14, 2019, 06:50:31 PM »
Hi, David, sorry it's all in process...

My 1st script was on a hypothesis of a 19 beat pattern related to the Piano chords as beat. - Now we have information that's a 5/4 base and Udu gives the timing! That means the Piano actually plays half notes, so we really have 38 beats instead of 19 in first part! There is a Cymbal playng the beats in 1st record.

I try to rewrite whole script, here is the beginning:

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - 5 - + - |
P===----        P===----        P===----| Piano
O       X   O   .   X   O   -   X     X | Udu
D   -   t   k   D   k   s   -   t   k   | Darbouka

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - 5 - + - |
        P======-        P======-        | Piano
O   v   X   O   v   X   O       X   X X | Udu
D       T   k   k   T           T   t k | Darbouka

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - 5 - + - |
P===----        P===----        P===----| Piano
O       X   O   .   X   O   -   X     X | Udu
D   -   t   k   D   k   s   -   t   k   | Darbouka

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - 5 - + - |
        P======-        P======-        | Piano
O   v   X   O   v   X   O       X   X X | Udu
D       T   k   k   T           T   k   | Darbouka

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - 5 - + - |
pP==----        P===----        P===----| Piano
O       X   O   .   X   O   -   X     X | Udu
D   -   t   k   D   k   s   -   t   k   | Darbouka

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - 5 - + - |
        P======-    p===P======-        | Piano
O   v   X   O   v   X   O       X   X X | Udu
D       T   k   k   T           T   t k | Darbouka

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - 4 - + - 5 - + - |
P===----        P===----        P===----| Piano
O       X   O   .   X   O   -   X     X | Udu
D   -   t   k   D   k   s   -   t   k   | Darbouka

1 - + - 2 - + - 3 - + - | Text
        P======-        | Piano
O   v   X   O   v   X   | Udu
D       T   k   k   T   | Darbouka

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 12, 2019, 01:10:10 PM »
... OMG ... I'm not the dealer!!!
 :) ;D :D ;)

Let's look over the base pattern again (to understand the strong Khaligi feeling):

Common Khaligi (Saudi) is right like Malfuf:

1 _ _ _ 2 _ _ _ 3 _ _ _ 4 _ _ _ |
D   -   -   D   -   -   T   -   |

The new pure base comes with an additional Doum at 4th beat moving the Tak to the 5th:

1 _ _ _ 2 _ _ _ 3 _ _ _ 4 _ _ _ 5 _ _ _ |
D           D           D       T       |

Do you agree?

You may find another Saudi rhythm called "Radmaan" on khafif.com at the other side:

1 _ _ _ 2 _ _ _ 3 _ _ _ 4 _ _ _ 5 _ _ _ |
D           T       T   D       T       |


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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 09, 2019, 04:54:11 PM »
Many thanks to Mr. Mehnert for the lot of worthy material!!! - Wow, I like this topic...!

When I listened  over our 1st sample here I had an idea there must be an Udu within arrangement,  but my main impression of the piece was even that: "Hey, a Darbouka!"

So let's look the Udu pattern (sounds should be same as in introduction video to that instrument above):

bsfloyd, thank you for your transcript. - You used all "X" to show rhythm. - I changed symbols to show a relation to note heads like in pic and according sounds:
"O" is the full open tone (closing and open hole) on Udu - on Darbouka I'd prefer a Doum instead.
"X" should be played as Slaps on Udu - respectively all Tekka on Darbouka
"◇" note head or "v" in transcript might be the base sound full closing the hole! - This effect stops previous open sounding. On Darbouka we need a strong Doum followed by a Grasp: Open your palm and fingers like a fan and hit the drum slightly with little  pressure around centerfield. Motion is similar to Slap but causes a dump sound only that stops membran.

So we come to this adaptation for a Darbouka:

1 _ _ _ 2 _ _ _ 3 _ _ _ 4 _ _ _ 5 _ _ _ |
D       k   D   .   k   D       T     k |
D   g   k   D   g   k   D       T   t k |

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 09, 2019, 08:53:12 AM »
Hi David,
great work!

@ bsfloyd

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 07, 2019, 05:13:13 PM »
Oh dear, I'd zapped into the documentary on arte.de in March myself! - even "Oman" - it's one part of five. and stunning: Even this piece of music gathered me at all. I'd had the idea to look it over, but failed to download file from mediathek. -  So, it was a big surprise to find the request  here  - and a great motivation too...

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:59:59 PM »
Hello to all,
first, here is my full script of that what I hear, when I listen to the clip:

1       2       3       4       5       : Piano
… - t tkD k s - t k D - t k t k t k t tk: …=(D)?
6       7       8       9       10      : Piano
D - t k D k s - t tkD - t k t k t k - - :
11      12      13      14      15      : Text & Piano
D - t k D k s - t k D - t k t k t k - - :
16      17      18      19      |        Text & Piano
D - t k D k s - t k D - t k t k |

1       2       3       4       5       : Oud & Piano
D - - k D - S - . - D  ¿t 3 S?k T ¿Pppp?:¿t 3 S?=¿t tkt S?
6       7       8       9       10      : Oud & Piano
D - - k D - S - . - D  ¿t k t k t k ? ? :
11      12      13      14      15      : Piano & Text
D - t tkD k s - t k D - t k t k t k t tk:
16      17      18      19      |        Piano
D - t k D k s - t k D - t k t k |

1       2                                Man shouting
D - t k D …

So, you can see, by the lead of Piano chords I've got an idea of a strictly 19 beat structure in sample!

The Piano theme is of two parts with 5 accents each. The theme comes twice, but in the second time later part is shorter by one beat. - Then, next (lost!) beat is unexpected introducing a counterpart - an Oud theme of 5 counts beginning with a strong chord and repeated one time only - and followed again by same Piano theme, the shortened version.

Following my hypothesis we'd have a 19/4 time signature of a strict 5+5+5+4 structure…

By another viewpoint - according to a regional approach and the rhythmical feeling - reviewed pattern might be a polyrhythmic arrangement based on Khaligi (Saudi).

Since Awfare is a well known Muwashshah with a 19/4 time signature it might be related here too.

All in all I'm still soo fare from a solution… What would say you?!

P.S.
Soundtrack to mentioned documentary was composed by Alfred Mehnert (c)


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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 06, 2019, 07:27:47 AM »
Hi guys, you fully know how to engage one in and over night...!
 ??? ::) :P ;) :)

But I think I got it:
I now have a full script to your sample ready... (approximately - still with some copy-and-paste inside)!!!

... not sure yet - and I'd find it funny some could guess the time signature first,  before I come out with mine!!
My advice: Listen to the piano!!! - Good luck!

fb: Witch's Kitchen

btw: Mystérieuse Arabie - Oman, au pays des contes will be soon (18.06.2016) on arte.tv again.

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