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Oh yessss … I remember …
 ??? :o :P :-\ ::) ;)

Thanks, when I've seen this clip 1st I was familiar with Congas for about 7 years,  Djembé - 5,  Bongos  - 4 and Darbouka - 2.
My Conga teacher invited me to play a Djembé part over Conga accompaniment,  but categorically disliked my slaps. At that place I couldn't reproduce those sounds and techniques he showed to me... For that I started seeking a good online tutorial and "Bingo!"
To do it with an vertical handling? - Yes, of course. But look out, whole trick isn't in the drum at all, it's a thing with your body! - You  may adopt movement to any playing position!!!

So after this clip I:
  • had had my first authentic slap on Djembe (after years)
  • increased my abilities in slaps on Congas and Bongos by 1000%
  • and learned a lot on modulating sounds (not only slaps) on any drum.
Those skills are a must be for resonant playing, and I rather see my posting a starting point for further arguments and interchange of fresh know how.

Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Tuning Question
« on: September 26, 2019, 03:09:05 AM »
Yes, it's right. - I started with Congas in a back room of our Salsa school about 10 years ago. I tried to bundle two of my interests:
1. I had an idea to find some hardware for an objective proofing of effects from my Tai Chi experience (especially the so called "Silk reeling").
2. I'd like to learn something on latin rhythmics as a Salsa dancer.

So, this learning group is steady at Mondays,  we have a great teacher.  I'm still learning a lot, but I see me an intermediate only - have no hardware by my own. I have no place for big drums at our home. (I have a lot of small drums instead ;) ) I do my drills simply on a table... Our congas in school are Meinl with buffalo head.

Sometimes I try it out what I can find in a store or warehouse. This way I had a look on goat skin and Remo synthetics too. Not really good. - But sorry, I have not any idea on Evans.

Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Tuning Question
« on: September 24, 2019, 11:22:59 AM »
Oh yes, the Skyndeep. - I have one Fishskin looking on my Sombaty Plus, and I have another one in spare, waiting that the Power Beat gets broken on my New Generation!

Sometime I had had idea, change working skins on one body.
I'd hopefully find some difference and might change moods before event. - That's all not real. - To have some drums in different configurations is a big plus! You learn a lot on different sounds.
After the GEF skin, that time, I decided next to install Remo.
I feeled lost with that skin. All sounds came weak. All screws felt be tightened to the end, I had no force to do increase, I was afraid to damage the threads of my beloved and only new drum. I had a step of 1mm around edge, playing was extremely uncomfortable, so I may guess, that skin didn't stretch until the end. - A big lag in experience. I tried it for another week, then decided to get a Black Power Beat on. This skin fits great, sounds great. I had that lot fun I attended to have with it.
Then, feeling I became more experienced, I would try the Skyndeep again.
What do you think?! - Now it is impossible to divide Power Beat skin from the plate at all - only when I'd  destroy the skin! So I'm looking out, skin has already stretch marks, but its stable for several years now. I don't see the end.
Meanwhile Remo has improved Skyndeep series - those different mists weren't when I bought my drum (I like the Turquoise one by the way). -  So really, drumming is more than read books. It's heartblood.

Here comes a video with best explanation of a slap I've ever seen:

Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Tuning Question
« on: September 23, 2019, 08:30:30 AM »
Hi, I have not seen yet, what you describe here. - I'd prefer a drum with flush skin anyway. What means the shell should have an leveled edge on the top. It seems to me that your drum might be finished not the best way. - What I mean is a manufacturing fault which harmed a part of that edge, and they have grinded it down about those 2 mm to do a new contour!

But I understand you have no distortions in sounds?! Skin is tight all over the rounding? - It might be ok than, skin seems to be stretched in limits, and Remo skins usually are longlasting ones. - But I would avoid to put a GEF skin on, because they don't stop stretching: With your configuration there should be at least two sections, where skin could be overstretched before time!

With this drum you can do all at the edge in the 3/4-flush-part, so I would hold the 1/4-dipped-part on my knee while playing.

Lose skin will cause distortion, don't losen it, ok!? - Tuning depends on the number of screws you have. With a 6-screws-system one or two screws may fall in that 1/4-sector.

Anyway, with a new skin I'd start from the pair of screws on flush side wich's nearest to dipped side both. They mark the line, where skin is fully to stretch. Level pitch on both ends of that line. Then level pitch on the opposites and all screws in between too, if they are. That is main area to get best sound possible. The more pairs of opposite screws fall in that region the better. You should get same pitch beneath all of those screws. The other opposite pair(s) tune from dipped side to flush side. Seek a tone with a slightly lower to main pitch on flush side and than tune it up with dipped side screws. Finetuning provide on flush side again. - That should be most careful way, not harming skin more than needed.

Take notice the last lines stay less stretched than others. - When you feel skin stretches by time you may do same procedure from the end because all of your reserve is here - and by the way look for a new skin...

Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Malfouf
« on: September 13, 2019, 06:12:51 PM »

Let's start from the end: Your P.S. - Why not?!

When you're able to articulate your sounds properly and provide smooth playing around some variations no one would blame you.

The point is that students drill a Ka similar to Tak on Darbouka from the beginning. Doum and Slap with weak hand is master class. So it cannot be wrong what you're doing.

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Oud, Ney, and Darbuka
« on: September 07, 2019, 06:33:29 AM »
yes, some years ago, when we went to Cappadocia in our holidays - there they were noodling "Gülümçan" everywhere anytime … so I met Çetiner Müzik and I loved it! - They have a lot of CD with instrumentals or ambient style music, some you can find on the YouTube channel too. And hopefully you may order something on it's website. The pity is, I've never yet heard Darbuka in those tunes, all traditional percussions is with framedrums, I think so…
Other "uncommon" (for us only) instruments are Duduk, Kanun, Saz, Kamancha … that's what I know.

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Oud, Ney, and Darbuka
« on: September 03, 2019, 02:43:29 AM »
Hi, due to our holidays here's a brief report to your posting only:


It's the very purists version of those instruments and unlikely not that common arrangement you might expect.

Another option:

See you …

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Egyptian style vs. Turkish style darbuka
« on: August 19, 2019, 03:23:33 AM »
Hello dears,
nice to see your lovely comments. - Yes, I like my drum, since I did my first steps in Darbouka playing on it. I think I had lot useful experience of. As very lightweightened thing it tended to go away under my heavy Conga-like strokes. I had to do a lot adjusting my playing position all time and learning to play from the wrists (and all that Snap-stuff too)!

So, bsfloyd, when I hear, you can play over the edge without problem, I'm glad - you got it already, position and doing all from wrists. Respect!

drtom, I'm not looking for a new skin now for some reasons:
1. Tuning system. Rings of casted Aluminium aren't plane. It didn't matter a lot, when I divided Doums and Taks only. But now I've hold much better drums and like modulations of my tones. - I'm looking for a method leveling the rings!
2. Skin is still good. - I'd prefere to have a spare, so the measures are 20,4 cm the inner diameter 21,6 cm the outer one. Total height is about 15 mm (after some years), the pressed ring has 7 mm. Thanks for any advice!
3. I'm thinking on trying something new. I've heard some guys prefare X-ray-films on Bongos as the Macho's head. I'd like to do something like this with my Darbouka!
4. Priority is on learning to play my Riq now. Since I'm not professional I can do only a few exercises a week. ...and the Riq has endless possibilities to taste...!!!

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Egyptian style vs. Turkish style darbuka
« on: August 10, 2019, 03:12:10 AM »
Hi bsfloyd,
I like your optimism - but really - you - married - that hits my world!

To the topic:
I remember a lot of those arguments from time when this forum started.  You may use search button to get some idea.

Me, you can see my Turkish beauty on my Avatar pic at the left. It's absolutely light weighted Aluminium shell. My wife and me, we much like the original engraved ornaments - this masterpiece of handicraft only was worth the whole price ... a fistful of Euros ... ;) Unfortunately I hold it unscrewed now, because I couldn't get new replacement skin in Istanbul last year. They told me, that's an old unusual size. Actually I have one skin left, but I'm afraid that I should not go to break it next time!

Nice, the truth is I'm used to tune my Sombaty every time.
1st a Microdoum (with one finger) in center of skin. If that sounds good it's all ok.
2nd Otherwise I hit the rim middle between two screws to find in wich place distortion actually is.
3rd Same over related two screws. I losen a bit that with higher pitch.
4th Same procedure from 1st point until it works, most time one screw only is to tight.

Skin looks fine - that makes me happy.  Probably its overstretched a bit in one direction. In that case you need to stretch it again but slightly.

First, when you put a Remo skin on your drum do the gap of the ring in the middle between two screwholes.Start screwing from opposite site and tighten those two screws beside the ring gap one after the other to avoid bad tensions while of first contact. When plate is tight over skin it doesn't matter a lot.

Wich tuning system do you prefer: "going arround periphery" or "cross over"?! - Since the skin isn't that new, I'd do it cross over now, it's more accurate. Level the plate and tighten the skin until you can get a first sound from it. Then let it rest for a while.

Thereafter you 1st should level the plate by sounding. That I may explain next time.

Hi Oz, unscrew the head and have a look at skin. The ring arround isn't closed, there should be a gap. Look wether the glue is ok at weak place.
About year ago I'd had same problem: The glue was there broken and I had to change skin again.

@bsfloyd, a GeF?!? - So you made it...! :)

Ney, Kawala Lovers / Re: What ney is this?
« on: June 25, 2019, 09:29:29 AM »
Hi, Sina, nice to meet you!   :)

The metal end is mouthpiece. Persian playing technique differs from Turkish or Arab: You hold end of flute with your teeth and blow over your tongue in the reed.

Canot tell you more on this. All sources, what  I know, refer to the Turkish/Arab style playing over the edge.

When you have no assistance and you would try learning by doing, I'd recommend you to start with the shortest flute possible, and continue with next size, after you mastered first.

Another philosophy is to begin with largest and master deepest tones first. Therafter, you would have no problem with any Ney. But I'm afraid such a method you cannot provide without assistance of an experienced player, who may show you a lot of those "hows", you are not thinking about. This method is similar to Yoga, it need some time to feel effection.

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