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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 09, 2019, 04:54:11 PM »
Many thanks to Mr. Mehnert for the lot of worthy material!!! - Wow, I like this topic...!

When I listened  over our 1st sample here I had an idea there must be an Udu within arrangement,  but my main impression of the piece was even that: "Hey, a Darbouka!"

So let's look the Udu pattern (sounds should be same as in introduction video to that instrument above):

bsfloyd, thank you for your transcript. - You used all "X" to show rhythm. - I changed symbols to show a relation to note heads like in pic and according sounds:
"O" is the full open tone (closing and open hole) on Udu - on Darbouka I'd prefer a Doum instead.
"X" should be played as Slaps on Udu - respectively all Tekka on Darbouka
"◇" note head or "v" in transcript might be the base sound full closing the hole! - This effect stops previous open sounding. On Darbouka we need a strong Doum followed by a Grasp: Open your palm and fingers like a fan and hit the drum slightly with little  pressure around centerfield. Motion is similar to Slap but causes a dump sound only that stops membran.

So we come to this adaptation for a Darbouka:

1 _ _ _ 2 _ _ _ 3 _ _ _ 4 _ _ _ 5 _ _ _ |
D       k   D   .   k   D       T     k |
D   g   k   D   g   k   D       T   t k |

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 09, 2019, 08:53:12 AM »
Hi David,
great work!

@ bsfloyd

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 07, 2019, 05:13:13 PM »
Oh dear, I'd zapped into the documentary on in March myself! - even "Oman" - it's one part of five. and stunning: Even this piece of music gathered me at all. I'd had the idea to look it over, but failed to download file from mediathek. -  So, it was a big surprise to find the request  here  - and a great motivation too...

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 07, 2019, 01:59:59 PM »
Hello to all,
first, here is my full script of that what I hear, when I listen to the clip:

1       2       3       4       5       : Piano
… - t tkD k s - t k D - t k t k t k t tk: …=(D)?
6       7       8       9       10      : Piano
D - t k D k s - t tkD - t k t k t k - - :
11      12      13      14      15      : Text & Piano
D - t k D k s - t k D - t k t k t k - - :
16      17      18      19      |        Text & Piano
D - t k D k s - t k D - t k t k |

1       2       3       4       5       : Oud & Piano
D - - k D - S - . - D  ¿t 3 S?k T ¿Pppp?:¿t 3 S?=¿t tkt S?
6       7       8       9       10      : Oud & Piano
D - - k D - S - . - D  ¿t k t k t k ? ? :
11      12      13      14      15      : Piano & Text
D - t tkD k s - t k D - t k t k t k t tk:
16      17      18      19      |        Piano
D - t k D k s - t k D - t k t k |

1       2                                Man shouting
D - t k D …

So, you can see, by the lead of Piano chords I've got an idea of a strictly 19 beat structure in sample!

The Piano theme is of two parts with 5 accents each. The theme comes twice, but in the second time later part is shorter by one beat. - Then, next (lost!) beat is unexpected introducing a counterpart - an Oud theme of 5 counts beginning with a strong chord and repeated one time only - and followed again by same Piano theme, the shortened version.

Following my hypothesis we'd have a 19/4 time signature of a strict 5+5+5+4 structure…

By another viewpoint - according to a regional approach and the rhythmical feeling - reviewed pattern might be a polyrhythmic arrangement based on Khaligi (Saudi).

Since Awfare is a well known Muwashshah with a 19/4 time signature it might be related here too.

All in all I'm still soo fare from a solution… What would say you?!

Soundtrack to mentioned documentary was composed by Alfred Mehnert (c)

Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Help needed to identify a ryhtm
« on: June 06, 2019, 07:27:47 AM »
Hi guys, you fully know how to engage one in and over night...!
 ??? ::) :P ;) :)

But I think I got it:
I now have a full script to your sample ready... (approximately - still with some copy-and-paste inside)!!!

... not sure yet - and I'd find it funny some could guess the time signature first,  before I come out with mine!!
My advice: Listen to the piano!!! - Good luck!

fb: Witch's Kitchen

btw: Mystérieuse Arabie - Oman, au pays des contes will be soon (18.06.2016) on again.

Introduce Yourself / Re: I am the new girl
« on: June 05, 2019, 05:38:29 PM »
 ::) :o ;D :-\ :P  ;) :)
Congrats, bsfloyd, for saluting next Spam-Profile, look:
Villars-Sainte-Croix isn't in the northern part of Switzerland...!

... and look here next one of its shape is AleishaNor

Hi, Willys, I wouldn't stop a lot on those independence skills!  - My reason: That "skill" doesn't carry any information from performer to audience. What independence give is better organizations and handling of more and more complex patterns - that's all.

It is a time to drill those complex patterns, first before you may perform! - Though I see you avoid those skill drills doing independence drills instead.

Me, I had learned percussion on Congas for about five years when I started with Darbouka myself - transforming my former skills to the new drum. I'd see me an intermediate on Congas that time.

We had had independence drills while our Conga courses time by time. They came as an addition to new figures we had to perform, i.e. when we started with triplets we got 2:3-beat drills to do as homework - on edge of table, on knees - on every thing, wherefrom we could get some feeling in timing, haptics and sounding the principle.

By forcing that special kind of independence (and only) we got a bit more time in lessons to do the work on our triplet expressions:
About 5 to 10 minutes we started our lessons with 2:3 drills to warm up. Thereafter full power to do the lot of triplet variations!!! - So we had a complete expressive new groove for our repertoire to add at the end of lessons every time!

Same procedure with Aviel's Darbouka Lesson #7! - I had my problems in timing when performing pattern after the clip. I stopped to find the lag in my skills. ...and now, step by step, did I come to better results - until I was able to drill the whole as whole...

That's the way how independence may help you by your drills. It may be drilled separately, but that doesn't  change anything in that you have to drill your repertoire mainly!

After all my words: I can highly recommend you to follow the Darbouka Passion methodics. It really can increase your handling experience. - And that it is: All depends on this what you may perform on your own drum. You can drill the independence... - Ok, you get a great independence but no expression. - Or... may drill your beloved expressions, your repertoire up and down, become a great performer at least - and you know, there is no great performer without those independence skills...!

Willys, there's one thing you should know:
Independence isn't that skill. - It's an ability - like upright walking!

You may think on your steps, but you don't think on your balance! - Most time we remember it only when we're afraid to lose it ... and it's almost impossible to do any right step then!!! - And now you see a juggler walking the tightrope... Do you get was I mean?! - Same with independence:

Actually the skill is not to worry about! And I see you're worried a lot...

Ok, I'm using notation convention from the Khafif-site.
By mine small and capital letters show non-accented notes and the strokes to play heavier or as accents as well.
The text actually came as an explanation of

Sorry, I've just not the time to overlook all clips. Further comment comes later.

But Willys, have a look at this old topic, maybe there's something usfull inside:

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Mid-East drums
« on: May 23, 2019, 05:24:55 PM »
In my eyes shape of the Mid-Easts is inspired by Iranian Tonbak - only heigth is in different proportion... I see namely the secret of that great sounds in those shape... Since there's a lot of different Turkish drums and I know only this one as Pakistani I'd guess its body and tuning system is adopted from over there.

But I took notice that Emin got a new level with its drums: They made an original Turkish tuning system having proportions like Pakistani one. The lot of screws allows excellent fine tuning, screws and rings are that small you don't feel a disadvantage related to an Egyptian styled edge. - I'm really sure the influence came mainly from those Mid-East drums!

I've had one of named Emins in my own hands in Istanbul last fall and I cannot explain in words that satisfaction what I got from.

...and yes ... the Khafif site ... I learnt a lot from this ... but actually I sticked in great collection of rhythms all the time and didn't look around as you ...

Hi, Willys, happy welcome.
Hand independence on Mediterranean drums in three words:
1. Play base pattern with strong hand only
2. Play ornamentation with weak hand or both (especially fast rolls)
3. Independence will increase right by the way

For your impro you may find this a good practical introduction:

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Mid-East drums
« on: May 22, 2019, 11:02:49 PM »
Don't worry you are welcome!

How did you come up with the Mid-East, by the way? - ....and how I didn't so...?!?

Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Mid-East drums
« on: May 22, 2019, 03:10:16 PM »
I found that Emin Percussion also has a similar style with somewhat similar shape.... but at a much higher price tag :(
You may compare sound and handling here:

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