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Introduce Yourself / Re: New here
« on: January 26, 2019, 04:12:07 AM »
Hi Hans, me too.  :)
Where are you from?

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... nice try, I like it - really - "singing" - what an idea ...  8)

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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 24, 2019, 04:55:51 AM »
...aaah,  I see ... you're not familiar with latin rhythms...

| a -  - cabal - lo - | a - - cabal - lo - |

We play

|Slap - - slapSlap - Tone - |

on Congas or Bongos

... and now Karachi:

|T--kT-D-|

This pattern came from Andalusia with conquistadors.

And it is common in African rhythms too. - Cuban rhythm Conga uses the pattern, but changes the sounds.

... and now Ayoub:

|D--kD-T-|

I'd bet a million, that you just know those patterns ... and some related variations and fills. - Adapt those stuff for your new drum. It increases your repertoire up to 1001%!!!

 ;) ;D

I actually learned a lot adapting Conga stuff for Darbuka (as technical exercises). It helped me to do nice sounds and be fluent while increasing the speed.

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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 22, 2019, 07:29:38 PM »
WOW - you surprised me - you really did your lesson!

... and now, listen it again:
.... a caballo, a caballo, a caballo, a caballo ...

Something common.?!

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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 17, 2019, 11:37:43 AM »
Hello, again,
Let’s try to come to a point with the video stuff and then have the mind free for new ideas.

…and you’re right! – It’s Saidi in the performance.

The clue is – it isn’t present in the original tune. So we have both: a regular change from Maqsoum to Baladi and an irregular change from Baladi to Saidi too. A great illustration for the stuff we started with here in this topic!!! – That’s what I’d like to show you…

That’s enough for now. You may see in the clip, the performance was at a wedding day. You can find the couple right in the picture at mark 1:55. The video is named to be an improvisation.
I guess someone of the guests asked the musicians to play the widely known tune – and they did it.
In those bands it is normal to have some new stuff on the least drum –with instruction to play the base only for training. That newbie failed once being confused whether the double Doum in Baladi occurs - but when – fromt or middle…?!. – (Saidi is often used for bellydance, and comes a bit various and tricky.)
You can hear (and see) the man failing first time at 0:45s. Only due to the great professionalism, I hope so, the whole ensemble follows and plays Saidi with a taste of Baladi like one man. It’s life - really, I like it!

Let’s stop with that now. (I will come back on this stuff in the “Semantics” topic.)

Better look here this:


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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 11, 2019, 04:51:19 AM »
So are you saying that different rhythm patterns will never be played in the same tune, even if they are the same time signature?  I used the example of Beledi and Maqsum because they are so similar.
But you have your answer here in the video, listen:
At start there's something with three heavy Doums 6 times, then you have a change in temp and it's 8 times Maqsum changing to a slower Baladi which is framing the solo part...

(... and I found something unexpected I wonder you might hear it too ...)

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Many thanks ... the topic isn't  full yet.

(Here my "never" is that same of driving school, saying "Never brake inside turns, do it before!!!")
 ;)

... but we've moved forward with your response:

The approach we have to solve next is: "Never ever...?!"
 :)

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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 09, 2019, 08:15:12 AM »
 :) ;)



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I’m curious, is there ever a time when the rhythms Maqsum and Beledi would be played in the same sitting?  Alternating the Doums and Teks?

To alternate Doums and Teks? - Never ever...!  ;)

The basic pattern of a rhythm is build of a row of different Doums, Teks (and rests). That is typical - this gives the rhythm a signature, a meaning - a unique style at least.

You may ask me, as a beginner: "Ok, but I have some Ka in the base I'm now playing...?" - So let's stop on it and me tell you: "What is a Ka?!" - ... should be same like a Tek- but actually played with wrong hand instead.  :) Ka is featuring the Teks. Playing some alternating Tekka you get an ornament, a roll!

That's why it is important to do the Tekka with the same or similar sound, independent of you are playing right now a Tek (with your strong hand) or Ka (with the weaker one). It’s communication. Audience but dancers will hear your pattern and get some orientation what’s going up now.

That way Doums and Teks are encoding semantics of the pattern. - In Arabic rhythms there is it like in Arabian language too:
All the Arabian words have a root what’s encoded by the row of (mostly three) consonants in it, i.e. “KTB” means “written”.

That gives the word a basic meaning, what never will change for the whole word family and all word forms within are featuring with different vocals in between the root of the words:
  • “KiTaaB” gives you the result of the writing, a book (but it may be a note or a letter as well)
  • “maKTaB” marks the place of the writing - an office (but same for the table you’re writing on)
  • “alKaaTiB” – the person who performs the writing etc.
And in drumming?! – You have a basic pattern and several variations of it. - It’s like telling a story in words…



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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Great video
« on: January 08, 2019, 05:51:52 AM »
... I see ... let's do that next year then ...

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Doumbek Advice, Tips Questions & Lessons / Re: Training / Practice plan
« on: January 08, 2019, 04:25:14 AM »
After about five years of  struggle I may tell you that you cannot avoid all this Maqsoum/Baladi stuff. - You can find it through the genres and it seems to me even that should be THE starter pack for all drumming children in eastern world.

Note the basics:

|DT-TD-T-| called "Maqsoum" (مقسوم literally "Divided") is the Arabian Funk.
|DD-TD-T-| commonly known as "Baladi" (بلدي "Balad" means "Countryside" or "Homeland"), but actually this pattern belongs to the "Masmoudi saghir" (مصمودي صغير "Small from Masmouda", what is a place in Morocco, between Tanger and Fez - often you find a pattern called after a town or region)

Those patterns are all 4/4 and you may find a lot of related styles, i.e.:

|DT-DD-T-| Saidi (صعيدي from Port Said)
|TD-TD-T-| Katakufti (كتاكفتي - I have no idea) what is a typical base for Dabke dances.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumbek_rhythms

You may find all it's the same rhythms, but those styles differ in melody, speed and accordingly in variations, ornamentations and fills too. - There is a wide range of interpretations within, so I cannot explain it to the end. All depends of that guys you may find to play with...

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Darbuka Sound & Video Clips / Re: Great video
« on: January 07, 2019, 11:07:53 AM »
OmG
I've seen this clip last year, looking for some good riq-stuff. Awesome, but out of my reach...

bsfloyd, Is that your level???! - Je lève mon chapeau, Monsieur! :)


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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie - *Mod: Buy a Darbuka
« on: January 03, 2019, 06:11:19 PM »
Hello, again,
you make me so happy.

That's a lot of new good stuff you found. I feel you bring really good vibes to me and our forum.

So, I think, I have some usefull tricks left for beginners and intermediates and - maybe - some idea for advanced too. I'll  put them in new topics. The plan is ready about one year, I didn't start because of a flood of nasty spam attacks last year.

Now it seems to me  to be the right time for new input here.

Am I professionall?! - Negativ for now - all I do is learning by doing and it's just for fun - but I do my best.  :)

(btw: I really had some dancer on my mind when I chosed the more expensive professional drum, that's true...
Don't ask me - it's long sad story - and we'd need some beer to survive it.  ;) )

See you....

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Doumbek, Darbuka Lovers / Re: Darbuka newbie - *Mod: Buy a Darbuka
« on: December 30, 2018, 03:07:28 PM »
Hi, bsfloyd, it's a pleasure to read your briefing. - I like it because I feel a lot of fresh inspiration - your motivation seems to be fully intrinsic...

I was a little afraid to meet a professional drummer here, who has to do some noise in a band next month, while the former percussionist actually was running....  ;)
In that case we had to find a fitting drum immediately, to do the best drills right now etc...

I can relax instead, enjoying you may grow with those things you're doing.  :) Don't worry, it's not a shame to have no sounds in only one (!) week. I guess you can learn from your Toca the whole year as minimum. - I would wait with a new drum and try to get stable clear sounds first. All will help you to take the best choice thereafter.

Gawheret El Fan is quiete good. My second darbuka is a New Generation size from Arab Instruments (made in cooperation with the ägyptian manufacturer) and it has great sounds. - The Hossam Ramsy line of Meinl has New Generation and Sombaty sizes too. - All of them are great drums I can fully recommend.

I might figure it out saying the Gawheret El Fan is the Ferrari in darbuka world, the smaller Meinl ones, on wich we talked before, some kind of Lotus or Mustang - and we didn't talk on McLaren, Saleen etc. at all. - So all of them are worth to do it with - if only you have a license. And even when you have it - for a truck - it's absolutely new to drive a sports car. Your long term experience may help you, but it doesn't insure you for proper and safe driving. - You may understand me in those words?

So my Sombaty Plus by Gewheret El Fan has an effective 9" skin is about 19" tall and about 6 kg weight (https://www.arabinstruments.com/doumbek-darbuka/buy-doumbek-darbuka). Your Toca is similar to the New Generation but should be more light weighted. The shape of the body doesn't matter a lot: "martini" form narrows the edge zone and gives a sharper sound, "bowl" form expands the edge zone and allows to play more clear modulations of the tekka sounds.

But the really benefit for learning and playing is your drum have a well rounded rim!!! It helps you to find the right playing positions at the edge.

And at the end I'd like to tell you one thing you have not on your mind yet: The main discomfort beginning with eastern percussions causes, you have no sight on the skin!!! - Sleep it over: You have over 30 years seen wich part of the drum you're hitting right by the way. That's an important feedback you're missing with your new drum for now!

So let's finish today and think further how to transfer some of your old experience to your new playing next time.
See you!

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